tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post2245226976047772560..comments2024-03-28T01:33:22.764-04:00Comments on The DiploMad 2.0: China Virus: The World is Going to End . . . Again . . . DiploMadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02316439950882822419noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-75035009892854684772020-02-02T09:18:12.205-05:002020-02-02T09:18:12.205-05:00I agree that this virus is likely not that serious...I agree that this virus is likely not that serious - it has low fatality rates (which you would expect from a virus that has a long incubation period).<br /><br />What scares me is the fear of the Chinese government. They didn't react this fast or strongly to SARS, which really is quite nasty. It bolsters the suspicion that this is a bio-engineered disease.<br /><br />The Chinese just don't know how bad it is. And, they are terrified that it might be the Doomsday Virus.Linda Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15024201252345608291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-80167713535406995752020-01-31T12:43:24.220-05:002020-01-31T12:43:24.220-05:00My husband and I spent a night at the National Inf...My husband and I spent a night at the National Infectious Disease hospital in Guangzhou. It was suspected my husband might have typhus (thankfully, only food poisoning). I had to stay up all night to monitor his IV because they had no sensor system. Speaking very little Chinese, I had to flag down the nurse to let her know it was time to change the IV bag -- because if the bag had run out air would have entered his vein and then it would have been curtains for him. Needless to say, the hospital was not nearly as grandiose as its name. It was eye-opening to say the least. The next morning, my husband was determined to leave no matter what (there were other issues with them trying to administer potassium, etc etc) and the staff was totally flummoxed and anyone daring to question the doctor/refuse further treatment etc etc. Oh, and the stories I could tell about some of my Chinese staff and their family members trying to seek medical treatment. Socialist paradise my ass.<br />Sarah M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12855521422992221591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-53142458462126663442020-01-29T21:19:22.504-05:002020-01-29T21:19:22.504-05:00Kepha: "... after stealing the US manufactur...Kepha: <i>"... after stealing the US manufacturing economy and much else with the connivance of Bush I and Boy Clinton …"</i><br /><br />It is worth remembering about the immense efforts the French made in the Treaty of Versailles after WWI to de-industrialize defeated Germany. And to remember the actions the victorious Russians made in eastern Germany after WWII to dismantle entire factories in defeated Germany and send them to Russia.<br /><br />While our Best & Brightest have been doing whatever it is they do in Congress, the US has lost something in the range of 50-60 Thousand factories, with the equipment often being packaged up and sent to China. <br /><br />Functionally, our Political Class has subjected the people of the US to the equivalent of the kind of de-industrialization which would have followed abject defeat at the hands of a merciless enemy. And the loss of associated tax revenues has exacerbated the pension Ponzi schemes. Someone could write a book about this -- "While America Slept".Gavin Longmuirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-68760805150784197632020-01-29T18:44:20.685-05:002020-01-29T18:44:20.685-05:00I spent two years in Mainland China in the 1990...I spent two years in Mainland China in the 1990's, and Chinese is my second speaking and reading language. I generally agree with Dip's assessment of the regime. However, I do not have reason to doubt that (after stealing the US manufacturing economy and much else with the connivance of Bush I and Boy Clinton) China has made significant economic strides. Although, having lived in Taiwan as well, I can't help but note that post-Deng China looks a lot more like Jiang Jishi's _China's Destiny_ than Mao's eqalitarian, autarkic vision.<br /><br />I am also sceptical that this is another apocalypse. The great influenza after WWI killed far more, while last year, other strains of influenza killed 30,000 in the USA. However, it is also highly possible that the Chinese regime is not letting the world know the true extent of the problem. In either case, I am no fan of abetting the rise of the last best hope for 20th century totalitarianism.Kephahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00999385775493831638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-2178303754402662262020-01-29T15:00:16.272-05:002020-01-29T15:00:16.272-05:00They weren't "stolen".
They didn...They weren't "stolen".<br /><br />They didn't need to be because the academic and medical community have largely cooperated with the Chinese Communists, and their citizen surrogates. Everything was relatively "above-board" - and if it weren't for a change in the political winds south of the border, this would be business as usual.<br /><br />When a stink was made about the lab's collaboration with with Chinese labs under suspicion of gene-editing, the Canadians helped their Chinese colleagues escape questioning, particularly by the Americans.<br /><br />You'll notice this is in stark contrast witht he American response which has been to ARREST the Chinese collaborators who have been caught, most recently Chinese and American academics, BEFORE they successfully smuggle bio-hazardous samples and research to China - the most recent incident being in Boston. <br /><br />Again: <br /><br />In America, they have to "smuggle" the samples and research out, against our attempts to arrest and prevent them. <br /><br />Unlike in Canada, with a different political climate, with Canadians who are actively "sending" samples and research of their own volition, then protecting their Chinese collaborators the Americans, and smuggling them out of their reach whenever they get the chance.<br /><br />"Stealing"?<br /><br />Don't try to gaslight us.Rykehavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08187461081941812627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-54217746594855867102020-01-29T14:11:54.828-05:002020-01-29T14:11:54.828-05:00Great post - I agree 100% with this:
>The Truth...Great post - I agree 100% with this:<br />>The Truth is out there, we just don't know where.<br /><br />Best information I have read so far:<br /><a href="https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/01/in-case-you-missed-it-earlier.html" rel="nofollow">In Case You Missed It Earlier </a> Raconteur Report. The author had great information previous on Ebola.<br /><br />Musings:<br />I have been surprised at the lack of Medical Infrastructure in Wuhan. Plus the lying that is being done - Apartment Building 600 miles away is a Hospital. Or how this was hushed up by the Chinese in the first month or two of the outbreak. And the fact there is a Bio Weapons facility in Wuhan. And the Canadian Lab that supposedly Coronavirus samples were stolen from. Ray - SoCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293232996007277071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-49616908388296930422020-01-29T01:05:36.987-05:002020-01-29T01:05:36.987-05:00Why are the dems so stupid? They had nearly every...Why are the dems so stupid? They had nearly every possible GOP retirement they could wish for in the house, and barely eeked out a majority. They go after Trump in all the most stupid ways, in particular, ways that nobody but a tiny minority really cares about. And now they expect to win a removal from office on crap that never happened but might have been mentioned... in Ukraine? The US voter doesn't give a rat's butt about what happens outside of the US, it doesn't give even half that about what happens in Ukraine, and it doesn't give even an infinitesimal amount of a crap about what *didn't* happen in Ukraine.<br /><br />It's almost like Trump was dragging a rope around with a set of instructions dangling from it entitled: "How to tie a noose."<br /><br />"Hey guys! We finally got the rope! And it has secret instructions we're attempting to decode and follow as we speak. You'll see exactly what happens when we're done!" - N. Pelosi<br /><br />How can they *not* see this as a trap? Everything they do here is going to reinforce every characterization Trump has ever made about the democrats. "Out of touch." "Doesn't care about the voter." "Likes to talk about this 'emoluments clause' thing... does anybody know what that is? I don't care either, because I spend my time caring about you guys."<br /><br />I mean.. c'mon.. idiots...<br /><br />- reader #1482Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-37965646162368379862020-01-28T21:43:35.525-05:002020-01-28T21:43:35.525-05:00"Lots of stuff going on in the world and it&#..."Lots of stuff going on in the world and it's hard to focus on one or two items . . . Much of what passes for news, however, is of a dubious nature." WLA<br /><br />Another, "The Sky is Falling" story, debunked:<br /><br />What the media won’t tell you about the Australian wildfires<br />By Joe Bastardi |January 27th, 2020|Climate|243 Comments<br /><br />I will be shorter than usual (that’s a relief).<br />Here, from WIKI data are total acreage burnt in Australia/year since the early 70s:<br /><br />https://www.cfact.org/2020/01/27/what-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-the-australian-wildfires/?mc_cid=1d61d8f1fe&mc_eid=a5fe3b9e2d<br /><br />On Watch~~~<br />History Documented and RememberedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-54091280166761950322020-01-28T20:14:01.597-05:002020-01-28T20:14:01.597-05:00Whaaaa??? But the health care system is FREE in Ch...Whaaaa??? But the health care system is FREE in China. They are a socialist utopia! How can they suggest it's inferior to the US health care system, when my university professor proved over and over again to me that our system is the worst! It's just basic math (that I didn't understand, and I suspect neither did he.. but what can you ask for in an english literature course anyways?)<br /><br />- reader #1482Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-26137220192302749592020-01-28T20:03:38.431-05:002020-01-28T20:03:38.431-05:00Very possible.
- reader #1482Very possible.<br /><br />- reader #1482Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-70917511691346272672020-01-28T18:19:45.723-05:002020-01-28T18:19:45.723-05:00Ultimately, the current “outbreak” in Wuhan is mat...Ultimately, the current “outbreak” in Wuhan is materially not a threat - without something akin to an Imperial Japanese invasion, I don’t see Chinese waterworks engineers abandoning pumping substations, nor powerline workers abandoning maintenance and repair schedules.<br /><br />Wuhan has experienced a mass-casualty event before.<br /><br />And while disease was a contributing factor then, it was not - and almost never is - the primary cause.<br /><br />Wuhan's population was not decimated by a viral or bacterial infection, so much as it was decimated by an Imperial Japanese (and Communist) war – <br /><br />- just as the Holy Roman Empire and its disparate kingdoms weren't decimated by a bacterium, so much as they were decimated by a Muslim invasion. The “Black Death” is not about the Bubonic Plague – something that has been uncritically parroted by the historically ignorant or agenda-driven “post-Enlightenment” crowd. Disease in isolation does not cause a death spiral on a civilizational scale.<br /><br />Rather, the true cause of Europe's depopulation was the economic decline throughout the disparate elements of what was the Roman Empire in the face of Islamic conquests (The Ottoman Turks) pounding on the gates of Constantinople, cutting off trade from the Mediterranean and Aegean, siphoning away entire villages of white prisoners to slave markets over the decades – many European nobles sold their own people to the Muslim and Jewish slave traders to keep themselves solvent.<br /><br />The depredations, decline, and loss of basic services taken for granted in civilized society were the preconditions for the spread deadliness of all diseases (hardly limited to Bubonic plague, which may not even have been the most prevalent disease). After all, it was civilized society, technology and its logistics which permitted dense populations to grow and sustain themselves in the first place.<br /><br />Knock away the foundational trade and economic activity that sustains a civlized system with the violence and spasms of a War, and the entire edifice falls - along with the population it once supported.<br /><br />This death spiral has been repeated in history countless times.<br /><br />The Japanese conquest of the Oriental Mainland in WW2, and encroachment on the Northern Plains (“China’s” historic agricultural region), is one relevant example. It wasn’t Japanese infantry or artillery that killed on a civilizational scale in WW2 (a few hundred thousand was bad, yes, but not the death-blow in and of itself); it was the abandonment of civil infrastructure that caused the society to atomize, making population centers vulnerable - its people unclean and malnourished - to widespread disease, dysentery, lacking waste removal, etc – concurrent with the inability to deliver and maintain supplies of basic needs from food to soap.Rykehavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08187461081941812627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-27013871963659215012020-01-28T12:42:58.441-05:002020-01-28T12:42:58.441-05:00Michael Fumento has been right for decades regard...Michael Fumento has been right for decades regarding viruses.<br /><br />https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/dont-buy-the-media-hype-over-the-new-china-virus/Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05478747589100326721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-92169699730110380012020-01-28T10:41:21.138-05:002020-01-28T10:41:21.138-05:00That pretty well sez it ALL!!That pretty well sez it ALL!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16309777434022108900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-158382503968962642020-01-28T09:07:53.540-05:002020-01-28T09:07:53.540-05:00“What has been driven home on the last several yea...“What has been driven home on the last several years is how once venerable institutions have fallen to the progressive onslaught and become purveyors of hysterical, politically motivated rubbish. The schools, universities, the media, Hollywood, the legal profession, the law enforcement and intel agencies, the political parties, even the military all have degenerated to varying degrees in the face of that onslaught. We are awash by and adrift on a sea of fake news all designed to cow us into giving ever more power to the permanent bureaucratic elites.”<br /><br />THIS x 1,000,000. Very well stated. Jeff Brokawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16077122994090536536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-75053657969858625462020-01-28T04:57:19.673-05:002020-01-28T04:57:19.673-05:00Or a brain in your head, apparentlyOr a brain in your head, apparentlyUncle Mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04036581343797487784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-48946912655779948852020-01-28T00:03:39.019-05:002020-01-28T00:03:39.019-05:00I just can't stand Trump... yet... both the GO...I just can't stand Trump... yet... both the GOP and the Democrats have *no* competition for him. I'm glad I'm not following the news since October 2018. If Trump stays in office, America gets what it deserves. If Trump is removed from office, America 'gets what it deserves'. I'm starting to think I don't actually have a bone in this fight.<br /><br />- reader #1482Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-81252927190889273122020-01-27T22:50:14.915-05:002020-01-27T22:50:14.915-05:00Based on my experience with the open air market in...Based on my experience with the open air market in Guangzhou I can easily imagine the coronovirus originating there. Unless , of course, it came from the research lab that was set up in Wuhan in 2017. Sarah M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12855521422992221591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-34995480249929830082020-01-27T22:47:43.432-05:002020-01-27T22:47:43.432-05:00Admittedly it has been 20 years since I lived and ...Admittedly it has been 20 years since I lived and worked in China (Guangzhou). But from what I have read/heard over the years, some things haven't changed so much. Still an environmental wasteland, to the people's detriment (remember the air quality issues leading up to the Beijing olympics? Good times.) More repressive than when I lived there, judging by the social credits and software facial recognition. I've never trusted the Chinese government, before during and since my years there. Oh, let's ask the citizens of any number of African countries how things are under their Chinese colonial masters.Sarah M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12855521422992221591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-37448327738287418362020-01-27T21:35:09.015-05:002020-01-27T21:35:09.015-05:00Sounds like you were unimpressed by China, Mr. Ams...Sounds like you were unimpressed by China, Mr. Amselem. I was in China last year, and saw something different -- at least at the street level. <br /><br />China managed to build a nationwide genuine high speed rail system in about the same time it has taken California to make a bunch of lawyers rich talking about building one. There is nothing like the social dysfunction one sees on the streets of London or San Francisco. Chinese people did not seem downtrodden or frightened; they own their apartments, drive their private cars on excellent inter-city toll roads, and bitch about their stock portfolios. And the tourist facilities (for internal Chinese tourism) are quite amazing.<br /><br />Certainly, the Chinese government has its issues. But so does our own Deep State of unfireable bureaucrats. The sad fact is that today we need to be cautious about accepting any statement from any government anywhere.<br /><br />This leads to the cynical view that the current coronavirus scare is just another case of 'never letting a crisis go to waste'. Since the Climate Change scam is looking increasingly threadbare, the Powers That Be would appreciate another excuse to keep their boots on the necks of us peons.Gavin Longmuirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1400985529434569506.post-75049134278172554782020-01-27T21:30:48.036-05:002020-01-27T21:30:48.036-05:00North Korea closing their border with Communist Ch...North Korea closing their border with Communist China is a very unusual and unsettling move. Not much would cause Lil' Kim to do that to his lord and master.<br /><br />We'll see.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.com